Thursday, September 10, 2009

Quote For The Day

"From what I have been looking at and reading, it doesn't seem like Venus and Serena are in any hurry to go anywhere. Everyone is always looking for the next big thing. Well, the present, as far as the women's game goes, is pretty good. It feels like [people] will only really appreciate that once they are gone."--Andy Roddick, responding with sarcasm when asked about how everyone is waiting for the "American girl" to come along

(Thanks, Pamela)

30 comments:

Beth said...

Good on ya Andy!

ndn5898 said...

Wow, that was one of the nicest quotes that I have read about Venus and Serena. In a crazy way it was heartwarming.

Karen said...

Good day all. I just fell in love. Fell in love with Andy Roddick. What a man!!! I understand from posters over at other message boards that on 2 occassions JMac has repeatedly said that Oudin is the only American woman left in the draw. When called on it by fellow commentators he stated that he had mentioned the only American woman in the top half of the draw. As we say in Jamaica, one time buck toe a buck toe, 2 time buck toe a purpose. Whatever JMac. Whatever.

Tennis Vagabond said...

I think its a truism that Serena dominates the woman's game, and that the only other player with any grand slam cred aside from Serena is Venus. But having one dominant player doesn't mean the world won't be hungry for someone new- in fact, the situation, as with the men's game, really begs that question.. Oudin is a long way from being that player who can challenge Serena, but she's still a hot story. I don't think its any disrespect for Serena that she gets some love after the runs she had at Wimbledon and here.
A lot of people are tired of Fed winning- how much more so would they be without Nadal having come along? Serena doesn't have that Nadal, if she does, its Venus, and being sisters they ARE going to be lumped together.
I'm all for Serena continuing her dominance, but I would love to see some other women step up and challenge her on a consistent basis. Its pretty natural that the media are looking for that story too.

Tennis Vagabond said...

I'll add that I don't understand why the Williams doubles exploits don't get more attention. The Bryan brothers get a lot more play, you even hear talk that they're the best doubles team of all time, when the sisters have won more grand slams than they have, while playing practically zero warm up events.
Has women's doubles just always been a poor sister? Or are the expectations on the Williamses so high that its just same-o when they win?

Karen said...

@Tennis Vagabond, it is a case of same way so regarding doubles. For my money the Bryan Brothers have been a shadow of their former selves. I think between this year and last year the WS have been playing a lot of doubles, mostly at the majors, but recently they have been venturing out into the world of tournament doubles play. I think this is not only good for their games, but good for the WTA as well. Recently I saw one of their doubles matches at this year's USO and it was standing room only on either Grandstand or Louis Armstrong. By contrast the main event match that was going on was sparse. Except for their performance at the FO, they have been to the finals of all the majors this year, and doing so while playing singles. I dont think anyone can question their commitment or the fact that they seek to promote all aspects of the Tour. The only thing you will hear is that they are not consistent. Whatever. They are almost 30 years old, I am sure that a lot of the young ones on Tour are quite happy that they are inconsistent, as it will give them a chance to win a few titles here and there.

Craig Hickman said...

TV, your comments ring true, but they are beside the point here.

In the United States of America, black citizens, despite being a founding population who built the American economy from the ground up with their labor, aren't considered American.

If you doubt me, just look at the steaming pile of cow shit thrown at the President of the United States.

This isn't "the race card."

This is our nation's history and cultural legacy.

"All-American" is white, blond, preferably blue-eyed, preferably from the Midwest or the South.

As Karen pointed out, Johnnie Mac made his statement more than once without qualification.

Fuck him.

Dapxin said...

TV is missing the point in Andy Roddick's absolutely iconic quote.

Resepects Andy! respects!

rabbit said...

Absolutely disgusting stuff from JMac. Andy couldn't have said it any better.

Craig Hickman said...

Now Chris Evert is on my TV telling me her open letter to Serena wasn't meant to be a criticism.

She's lying.

Serena is certainly not above criticism. I criticize her regularly. But I don't criticize her and act like I'm not criticizing er.

Chris Evert needs to cut the bull.

Tennis Vagabond said...

Craig
I see your point. I'm not American nor black nor do I know specifically what JMac or Evert have said, so I won't comment in ignorance.

thanks
T. Vag

Pamela said...

It struck me as so profound that Andy had to be the one to say this. It's fine and good to look for new talent, - encouraged even. What is not fine is to pretend to be blind to those who have carried American tennis for the women for the last decade through a multitude of other issues. Their peers have quit, retired, lost interest, no longer what they once were and these two are standing tall. Aside from singles and doubles, they're Olympic Gold winners as well.

As Andy said, what they have done will not be truly appreciated until they are long gone to venture into other things outside of tennis full-time.

It really has nothing to do with Oudin or any other talent that will come along, it's the disregard for what you have in two players that have carried their country without very much thanks.

Pat Mac said the other night .."it's gonna be great, 2 blonde ponytails and ... America's hope." Yeah, I get it ... but really, don't take for granted the champions you have because you want a new one.

Craig Hickman said...

Say it again, Pamela. Say it again.

bambam said...

I am so happy to read from you all what I've been thinking. I am a white man raised in privilege and I clearly see the subtle racism in others' remarks. I shuddered a bit when PMac made the blond pony-tail comment. And the more I listen to JMac, the more I think he offers lazy commentary.

I have been a big fan of Serena and Venus for some time now and don't understand why other Americans are not. I really can't think of any other reason besides the fact they are black. Sorry if that offends others. But what else could it be?

Bravo Andy.

oddman said...

One of many reasons why I love Andy Roddick.

Karen said...

Tonight I was at a firm function. The point of the function was for all of us to get together and cook a meal from our country and share it with our co-workers as well as some select clients that we had invited. I should point out that I work in a law firm where I am the only black person there. Suffice it to say I cooked a traditional Jamaican meal which went over quite well with everyone there. The night was going well and the talk turned to tennis (what else is there to talk about). One of my co-workers who is not a fan of the WS made the remark that Serena should be playing on the men's tour. Suffice it to say that I made the place go real quiet after I had finished lacing into him for his very racist remarks. I left soon after. To see American tennis fans cheering on a Belgian player against one of their own and basically rooting on said player against Venus Williams, a woman who has represented tennis in good times and bad times and who could have called it quits on so many occassions but still keeps plugging away, and who has represented her country on the international stage for so many years and to the detriment of her own personal career being cheered for her mistakes on a tennis court by fans in her home country just made me want to puke. I dont know if most of you notice this but players of a darker hue in this profession are getting shafted for the next great white hopes. It is not these players' fault that this is happening but something needs to be done and done soon. I know I for one will perhaps no longer watch women's tennis when the Williams Sisters are no longer playing. I was wondering why Chris Evert was on tv today. Now I know. Whatever. Has anyone here bought Serena's biography as yet. I have placed an order with my local Books & Books to order a copy. Hopefully I will get it by the end of the month. I understand that it is a very good read.

Karen said...

So the "retirement" of Henin is almost over. This is so ludicrous. What, they think we are idiots?

oddman said...

That is a very nasty remark, Karen. I'm glad you laced into this fool.

Aziz said...

I just love how you put it, Karen.
I'm not an American but I feel sick, severely sick at heart knowing how these Americans have treated the williams sisters.

Like you said, they have been flying American flag for a decade now but all you have been hearing is endless criticism.

When they first turned professional at the very young age, not to mention not via wildcards but through Ranking, people criticized them as being too young, they would burn out, their parents were too ambitious and on and on and on..... bla.. bla...

But they let the racket do the talking. Then, when they started winning SLAMS, then these imbecilic talks turned into a fresh accusation:

Inconsistent, not giving it all, lost interest, games declining and on and on and on and on...

After a decade, here they are.Still at their best level when the players that came with them are all crippled and out. Look at the ranking. they are still side by side for a DECADE. Boy, I never knew sisters who have done SO MUCH PROUD TO THEIR COUNTRY and still their own people have been oblivious to it.

Thank God there is still an American like Andy who does not only have look, but brain some more.

To sum it up, I'd like to share one revolting incident in Australian Open 2005, semi final match between Serena and Sharapova. Pam Shriver and Mary Carillo condemned Serena throughout the match, saying that her game was totally declining, and their parents still stood by their daughters' game which according to them needed adjustment to cope with these new rising stars in tennis!

And Serena fended of THREE MATCH POINTS and showed Sharapova the exit door. and you know what? Mary Carillo said this when the match had ended:

"Somehow I think Maria Sharapova is still a better player...."

God bless her decimated soul. Amen. Go Serena and win this US Open 2009!

Dapxin said...

guys,
dont get wound up by the idiots, the racists, and the very so unlettered.

The thing is, people (racists) would be no matter what.

The tension of time and history, today enforces, that you cant unlearn prejudice - easily.

But, in all of these, its a huge mark of where you Yanks have travelled, that you do have president Obama today.

In 50 years, you can only expect that Serena + Vee would get the respect they truly deserve for what they have achieved on this game;

Its absolutely legendary!

Beth said...

Wow, I am not even going there with addressing any race issues in regards to the WS. I have never considered the WS as 'black' or. Not to take away from their heritage but I just don't look at people from a color perspective. Truly. I see them as TENNIS PLAYERS. Let's just say I had some unique experiences growing up as a white, middle class girl. Stuff that shaped my views (thankfully) to this day. I will never understand why color 'colors' peoples eyes or thoughts. It is ridiculous, ignorant, stupid, and so beyond inane. I have had issues with Serena in particular about her excessive vocalizing on court (and I have talked to many others who have had this same issue with her as well) and what I see as a bullying way that she plays sometimes but that's HER, not her color. It has nothing to do with that. If the WS have been discriminated against over the years, history will 'out' all of it. Karma will prevail. I believe it always does.

Beth said...

Yeah, and I was pretty disgusted by J and PMac's comments too....WTF, only one AMERICAN left? HELLO?? Idiots.

tangerine said...

As usual, Roddick appears to be the only one who "gets it".

I feel that the WS will not be fully appreciated until they are gone and retired. Oudin was a fantastic feel-good story and I admit that I jumped on her bandwagon this USO. How could anyone resist her heart and fight, seeing this small girl knocking off all those big hitting Russians? It was like watching David vs Goliath.

Whether she has the goods to get to the top and last, the way Venus and Serena have lasted, is another story.

Michael said...

It seems clear that the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) isn't putting PMac or JMac on their list of people to consider next year after Venus won it this year. Odd that this post follows so closely on the ADL post and on Pancho Gonzalez's commemoration on court at the US Open.

I think that some of the horrible treatment Venus and Serena (and Pancho Gonzalez) received strengthened Venus's desire to speak up on behalf of Pe'er. She knows what it's like to be there. And Andy knows what it's like to be overlooked as everyone says "Why aren't there any good American players anymore?" I hope we can all emulate Venus and Andy to leverage these hardships into positive, grace-filled actions.

Craig Hickman said...

Michael, you connect the dots nicely.

meonpc said...

I've been a silent reader here for so long but today I just had to log in and say that I love you all! I have found a place where people seem to consistently express, so eloquently, exactly what I am thinking, and where reactions are just the same as mine. Andy Roddick is not just a Top Ten tennis player who has managed to stay there consistently year after year, but he is a brilliant spokesperson for the sport. Yet there are so many misinformed or just plain ignorant people out there who continually insult him, twist his words or mistate the facts. And it seems that no matter how many titles the Williams sisters win, it will never be enough for the public to take them seriously. I'm so sick of it. But it's nice to know that I can come to Craig's blog and find like-minded people. What a relief! Group hug, everyone. :)

Mad Professah said...

Will the drug test results of Ms. Henin from March-May 2008 be released before she returns after an 18 month "retirement"

Craig Hickman said...

meonpc, thanks for reading. Don't be a stranger...

pat said...
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Aziz said...

Meonpc, you are so cute! =)