Sunday, November 15, 2009

Bercy Final Open Thread

French Gael Monfils returns to Serbian Novak Djokovic, during their Paris Masters ATP tournament final tennis match on November 15, 2009 at the 'Palais Omnisports de Paris Bercy' in Paris.
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French Gael Monfils returns to Serbian Novak Djokovic, during their Paris Masters ATP tournament final tennis match on November 15, 2009 at the 'Palais Omnisports de Paris Bercy' in Paris.

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The first big title of 2009 for the world No. 3 or another Bercy title for a native son playing his first Masters final?

Rama Yade French Junior Minister for Youth and Sports attends the final of the Paris Masters tennis tournament between Gael Monfils of France and Novak Djokovic of Serbia November 15, 2009.
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Rama Yade French Junior Minister for Youth and Sports attends the final of the Paris Masters tennis tournament between Gael Monfils of France and Novak Djokovic of Serbia November 15, 2009.

34 comments:

Craig Hickman said...

I see how excited our readers are about this final.

Helen W said...

Well, I've been watching it since the middle of the second set, just in time to watch Nole's game go walkabout. When I tune in he's firing lasers to the corners on both sides, great disguise on his shots, everything working. Then suddenly he disappears. Since then it's been frustrating to watch as each of them plays well sporadically but then disappears again.

Craig Hickman said...

The disappearing acts are most interesting.

oddman said...

Yeah, I'm thrilled. I like both players just fine, but damn, I need me some breakfast and got things to do. It ain't Rafa... heh heh.

Would be happy with a win by either of these two. Maybe Gael more - nice treat for Parisiens,no?

Karen said...

Just got in from church and seeing Novak self destructing. Would love to see Gael win because of the history between these 2

Helen W said...

The match now has no rhythm at all. Very unfun to watch.

Helen W said...

Well, they are both trying hard to lose, but you can only have one loser, so someone has to win.

Commies are firmly in Gael's camp. No problem with Gael, but why can't they at least try to be impartial?

Karen said...

See is things like this why I sometimes step off the Novak bus. All this chest beating and crap, I can so do without it. You beat Monfils, please. And he wonders why he keeps getting booed everywhere he plays. Listen to him. Idiot

Karen said...

@HelenW sometimes I think that Novak is so divisive in his on court demeanour that you cannot help but root against him. I became a sort of fan of his but I now have one foot off the bus and the other one is right behind him. It is absolutely ridiculous that he is going on like this. Yes, you won. We know it. The whole freaking world knows it. Shut up already.

oddman said...

That's your preference, Karen. That's what he does, he's always done it. He ain't gonna change now.

Now me, I dislike the fingerpointing in the air by a certain someone - tell me why that should be so annoying. But it is.

Fans. We're funny.

Helen W said...

Karen I can understand your reaction, but I have to say I didn't feel that he was too in your face. Monfils is often moreso.

As far as their past history goes, I hope that it is past. They seemed to embrace at the net with alot of goodwill and camaraderie.

Glad to see that they both played a pretty good tie break but what a shame that Gael doubled to end it.

Graf_sampras said...

WHY -- why does Craighickman choose the best pictures you can find of tennis?!

IT'S SO UNFAIR to tennis websites!!!


heheh

although i didn't catch it.


it seems that after the second set where perhaps both players were trying to find "new ground" - which gael obviously won..it seems they held up with some good tennis for a close 3rd set. that's good, imo.

CONGRATS to both players. I would have been happy either way.

but I think that Djokovic deserves this very much.

incidentally --

IF - a big IF - he wins the year end championships.....

HE becomes World Number TWO for the first time.

Graf_sampras said...

heh = i don't think djoko is "divisive" on court at all. he carries himself with the appropriate sense of confidence or lack of confidence according to what his actual tennis form is - whether it's seasonal or in the moment. that's all.

If anything -considering that he has been a "lightning rod" for , on one hand openly challenging the
"DUOPOLY" of Roger and nadal since 2005 - where others were too timid to SAY so or do ANYTHING about it..

and on the other hand, his antics that rubbed some the wrong way even if the crowds practically egged him on to do and he was just trying to make everyone satisfied....


and THEN get flak for it

I think Djokovic has stood up VERY well , all things considered.


I like him. always have. his tennis and the way he approaches his profession with a sense of responsibility towards what needs to be done to be at his best...and THAT includes the way he has been very forthright about what he feels he can do well - and what he still needs to do and WORKED at it, unlike a lot of other players that are all just TALK and hot air but then come up with the SAME awkward results.

Karen said...

@Oddman - as the song says "throw your hands in the air if you are a true player" - or at least I think that is what the song says by Big Pun. LOL
@HelenW the things that Monfils does really does annoy me as well. It was a sort of good match from what I saw but I was really hoping for Monfils to pull this one out. I would have really liked to have seen him win a MS shield this year. He looks like he is coming into his own so hopefully next year will prove that he can be one of the top guys. Anyone else notice how much players France has in the ATP these days. My goodness.

Graf_sampras said...

Karen said...

@HelenW sometimes I think that Novak is so divisive in his on court demeanour that you cannot help but root against him. I became a sort of fan of his but I now have one foot off the bus and the other one is right behind him. It is absolutely ridiculous that he is going on like this. Yes, you won. We know it. The whole freaking world knows it. Shut up already.

Sun Nov 15, 12:03:00 PM

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Karen -- Djokovic has not won a major for 3 years now - this is his first MASTER in over 12 months. I think he has EARNED the right to SHOW that it is important - to himself AND to the tennis world - because it has BEEN his stated intent since years ago to BE a factor among the very top quality players. he "faded" for many months - is getting some good form back ...so what is wrong about that?


ROGER FEDERER - after several grand slams - STILL BEHAVES as if the world has to know "this was my DESTINY- just so you KNOW"

with all his crying .

i seem to remember that at age 25/26 - where djoko is only 23 -

roger with many titles , in AO still could manage to sound as "i am SO SURPRISED at HOW TALENTED I AM"...kind of way:

as in:

"I DON"T KNOW how I WIN SO MANY TITLES....sob, sob...sniff.....Maybe it's just my TALENT"........


ewe!


so - u know, let's not talk about a djokovic fingerpointing at the air, beating his breast, giving a sharp "see that?" look when we ALL know someone has had his share of plenty of "LOOK AT MOI...i am SO DIVINE"!

and even comes on court in Retro Perry Whites and Big Hand Bag just to make a POINT of it! BEFORE a match even begins!

i mean - if you wanna see an Emperor Nero bedecked in all his Toga Glory complete with Symbolic Laurel wreath on the head - it sure ain't Djokovic...

Graf_sampras said...

also -= show me a player in the last few years that has defeated BOTH RAFAEL and ROGER FEDERER in getting to consecutive titles ...

soederling has? roddick? tsonga? simon? davydenko? who?


give the guy some respect...if only because he's done , from among all the tour , something that places him right in the mix with rafael and roger federer - where others can only mainly look on.

whatever HIS flaws - the others have PLENTY MORE for no other reason than THEIR failure to do what HE has done.

Karen said...

That is a beautiful woman at the top of this page. Very Iman like

Karen said...

Graf, please the chest thumping and the shouts of Serbia we can do without. The war in Serbia ended many years ago. Novak needs to get over that. This is a freaking tennis match. Get it. A tennis match. The fate of the world or in this case Serbia and/or France does not rest on whether Novak won a match. I am sure that he is very happy for the win seeing as how he has not been able to win anything of significance this year. If it was not for the 250 and 500 series, he would not have a title. I am happy for him, but let us not get carried away here. And no you did not compare Roger winning majors and the celebrations thereafter as equivalent to Novak Djokovic, the No. 3 player in the world finally being able to win a MS shield. The last one of the year, when everything else of significance has already been won. Novak is one of the few players who is not carrying any injuries right now. Let us see how he does at the WTF next week. For the record I am not taking this victory away from him. I just can do without the chest thumping and the shouts of Serbia and all that other crap. Enough.

lynney62 said...

Throw me under the bus if you want, but......I like Nole. I felt he played well all tournament and deserved this win. I don't mind his emoting when he wins, as I feel most all players have their way of doing the same. After a tough match...you just gotta let it all come out.....Congrats, Nole!

Helen W said...

lynney62 I'm with you.

My jaw dropped as I watched him play Rafa. He was firing lasers from all parts of the court, with great disguise, painting lines and corners, finding unbelievable angles. It was an incredible performance. Add to that that his fitness is improving as is his net game, and he has become a force to be reckoned with.

As far as having grown up in a war-torn country, I have mercifully been spared such a childhood, but I don't think it's something you can slough off easily.

Dapxin said...

missed the Tennis
so I step out here,
in the wild, aftertime,
where,
a potrait,
black with beauty,
sings,
like a falcon,
asking other birds,
you and I,
to fathom,
the perfect art!
dark intricate one,
sewn,
with lyrical smoothness,
worn,
with all adoring melt...

You are Beautiful.

Graf_sampras said...

GO NOVAK!!!

don't listen to KAREN about the chest thumping. it looks nice -- and keep that PRIMAL SCREAM!

it's better than all the sobbing, sniffing, "falling gracefully" on the court by some PerryWhiteWearingBigBagCarrying

"I ME and MY TALENT"...

Graf_sampras said...

Helen W said...

lynney62 I'm with you.

My jaw dropped as I watched him play Rafa. He was firing lasers from all parts of the court, with great disguise, painting lines and corners, finding unbelievable angles. It was an incredible performance. Add to that that his fitness is improving as is his net game, and he has become a force to be reckoned with.

As far as having grown up in a war-torn country, I have mercifully been spared such a childhood, but I don't think it's something you can slough off easily.

Sun Nov 15, 01:56:00 PM

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Exactly...i know it doesn't comport well with some people HERE -- but politics AND TENNIS , as everyone ought to know by NOW , are NOT separate affairs.

or else there will be NO such thing as a "nationality" - serbian player, a swiss player, "lilly-white" players, etc. etc. etc. and the entire history of the game and culture -- POLITICS.

a little TRUE history of serbia - and all that -


Serbia IS the essential YUGOSLAVIA that was DISMEMBERED forcibly by NATO at the behest of the UNITED STATES of america.

the TRUE story is that their ethnic rivalries, between croats (of muslim and catholic extraction) , serbians (of eastern orthodox extraction AND slavic and related to russians) , and albanian "ethnics" who were themselves basically SPILLS FROM albania from generations ago when albania's "kings" imagined themselves to create a "greater albania" and an "empire" of their own and went over INTO yugoslavian territory.

what did the USA DO? yes the USA - it used and strong-armed NATO - to force the DISMEMBERMENT of yugoslavia so as to FORCE its dismembered "provinces" - such as serbia , croatia, and kosovo (which itself is right in the CENTER of serbia and IS practically the birthhome of serbia and yugoslavia itself)

to force them "away" from the RUSSIAN traditional influence.

Graf_sampras said...

in other words it was a LAND GRAB of monumental proportions and a SLAP in the face of russia in the 1990's when russia was so waekened from its USSR collapse (which was precipitated by the USSR involvement IN afghanistan when afghanistan Mujahedeen fought the socialist government to weaken IT, and threatened to SPILL the fighting INTO russian territory - and THIS forced the russians to come in and they got bogged down - and WHO REALLY PROVOKED the Russians into that?


THE CIA - dearies - with such MALICIOUS INTENT - that Carter's state secretary Zbigniew Brzezinsky literally was GLEEFUL when reporting to Carter "Mister president -- we have just given russia HER OWN VIETNAM" - by CIA FUNDING the mujahedeen and what BECAME the TALIBAN of today - all of them POWERS that were CREATED and PUT IN PLACE by the USA !!!

so -- back to SERBIA...

Graf_sampras said...

serbia was another of those "traditional cultural relatives" of the SLAVIC RUSSIANS that the WEST in europe and USA

led by england, france, germany HATED for centuries


for no other reason than that THOSE slavs SIMPLY were "not european enough"

and THEY had lands that had HUGE ENERGY RESOURCES of OIL and GAS which the west and their corporations (including HITLER in his time)

LUSTED for generations to OWN and CONTROL!

so - folks - you all think that it was ALL about "the war criminal slobodan milosevic?"

WRONG - he was merely - bad as HE was - a NATIONALIST of YUGOSLAVIA that was fighting against the

AMERICAN instigated (clinton, albright, powell, etc.) NATO enforced dismembered of a SOVEREIGN NATION called Yugoslavia with its different ethnicities that


BEFORE the NATO and western powers MEDDLED in their affairs - as a SLAP to RUSSIA (as if to say -- nya, nya -- we can do whatever WE want with YOUR protege yugoslave and serbia and there AIN'T A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!)

these different ethnicities managed their affairs with RELATIVE CALM and tolerance and EVEN INTERMARRIAGES and romances!

so THERE - to merely dismiss that where djokovic has an intense feeling about what was DONE TO HIS COUNTRY

by the CRETINOUS , MENDACIOUS and MALICIOUSLY ENVIOUS western powers - goaded on by the great USA ! -

is the height not only of IGNORANCE about history but also quite, frankly, hypocritical.



sorry to vent - but THAT is relevant to and understanding of why djokovic behaves the way he does.

HIS COUNTRY and what REMAINS of what was once YUGOSLAVIA and the DESTROYED relations between the ethnicities DUE to the MEDDLING of the USA and NATO MERELY

to SHAME russia because russia could only stand by and watch as HER TRADITIONAL CULTURAL ALLY for centuries and centuries was being dismembered

his country and his people as well as the OTHER ethnicities were ALL VICTIMIZED by the EMPIRE

from across the ATLANTIC using NATO as the pretext and "front man" for so-called
"democracy"!

when in fact it is all about ENCIRCLING RUSSIA for HER ENERGY and OIL of SUCH MAGNICENT proportions that

a certain AMERICAN -- MAdeleine Albright once blabbed out , in a moment of candor:

"IT IS SO UNFAIR that ONE country has ALL those rich natural resources (she WAS refering to RUSSIA and the east) - SOMETHING OUGHT TO BE DONE ABOUT IT"!


some of you think this is JUST about TENNIS? you are VERY , VERY WRONG!

VENT OVER . lol. but some of you need to know a BIT MORE HISTORY to before complaining about this or that player "chest beating"!

because if any of YOU were in HIS place -- you would do FAR WORSE! when you have a tiny country being massively bombed to smithereens, NOT REALLY because of "democracy" which the USA's SHAM projects of "democracy" everywhere are that anyway - SHAMS ...

by BIG POWERS that just can't get over THEIR lust and envy for the resources of certain very RICH RESOURCE eastern and SLAVE and asian countries....

and we know WHICH BIG POWERS these are from the west...heck

they're all over the planet for generations bombing and invading whenever they feel like it to literally grab land and resources....


and present cases:


WMD LIES on IRAQ and its ocean of OIL!

afghanistan and its geopolitical strategic importance for PIPELINES the west wants to build for OIL and GAS it does NOT EVEN OWN !

just with serbia - which becomes, if "western controlled" opens up a PIPELINES and conduit bypassing RUSSIA - just coz WESTERN and US corporations WANT a PIECE of the pie for something the westm DOESN"T EVEN POSSESS and yet wants to control

folks - in plain language - that is called IMPERIALISM , THEFT of the resources and lands of other people.


and SERBIA was used as a PAWN


by - you got it - NATO and ITS big brother - USA!

sorry - but THAT's the truth no matter how some don't like it!

Graf_sampras said...

heck == where it comes to politicis MIXING with tennis....


THE US OPEN never fails to make obeisance to 9/11

just cos it happened around USO time! when lleyton hewitt won it in 2001.

all flags unfurled, rah, rah rah, pity the widows and orphans of 9/11 victims of terrorists...and let's NEVER forget it world, ok?


even IF - that was itself a CONSEQUENCE of

AMERICAN POLITICAL MEDDLING and ECONOMIC exploitation of countries IN the middle east for their OIL to hand over to the USA ON THE CHEAP - bought by US corporations

BELOW MARKET PRICES from special arrangments with the BRUTAL saudi and other dictatorships that the arabs HATE for THAT connivance with the USA

and then SELLING IT on market prices TO americans who THINK that by dricing their wondrful cars on their nice highways they are living in the ":land of the free"

that the muslim terrorists attacked "because they hate our freedom"

when in fact it was because the USA KEEPS MEDDLING in the affairs of the middle east where it doesn't BELONG and WAS WARNED repeatedly NOT TO CONTINUE IT!

and STILL does to THIS very second - while DIGGING its own GRAVE in afghanistan


the Historic "GRAVEYARD OF EMPIRES!!"

even if an afhgani LADY member of her parliament came to new york recently BEGGING OBAMA - the new Emperor of Modern "rome" -

to please LEAVE "my country - we will take care of our problems ourselves as we always have - you are ONLY MAKING THINGS WORSE FOR US, including the women like myself..but if yOU DON"T - i can assure you -- our people are going to fight until the end until YOU go the path of ALL EMPIRES since Alexander the great before you - OUT of our land"!

people think - hitting a fuzzy yellow tennis ball and politics are NOT related?

THINK AGAIN!

Karen said...

Right now that Graf is back with his diatribe that is my signal to take my leave of this place for a little bit, but before I go, let me just say that having grown up in a country that is still having its own version of a civil war, I do understand what Novak may be going through. However, I do not think it has any place on a tennis court. None. I dont care how many times they bombed your village. This is a tennis match and the fate of the world does not rest on it. I am a fan of Nole as I have posted here before, however, the chest thumping and all that crap I can certainly do without. I am a conservative by nature and that is perhaps one of the reasons why I like the snivelling, grovelling Swiss. Yes, that same snivelling grovelling crying Swiss who has 15 majors - one at the French Open the same one that the famous Pete Sampras never even got to the final to put on his Resume. This started out as such a good day and I am going to ensure that it stays that way.
Craig, I will see you at the Australian Open when hopefully by that time level heads will be prevailing at this site. Have a happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas and New Year.

cp said...

I think the Patriarch of Serbia died today before the match and Novak is a believer and might have been emotional over that.

oddman said...

(eye roll)

So there's this chest-thumping, eyes shooting sparks of red Serbian dude.

So there's this sniveling groveling, finger pointing in the air Swiss dude.

So there's this scowling, buttpicking, fistpumping musclebound Spanish dude.

So there's this face-contorting, mangle-toothed swearing miserable Scottish dude.

And there's this brash, in-your-face, crotch-scratching smartmouth American dude.

'Who do you love?' (George Thorougood)

Graf_sampras said...

Sun Nov 15, 03:23:00 PM

Karen said...
Right now that Graf is back with his diatribe that is my signal to take my leave of this place for a little bit, but before I go, let me just say that having grown up in a country that is still having its own version of a civil war, I do understand what Novak may be going through. However, I do not think it has any place on a tennis court. None. I dont care how many times they bombed your village. This is a tennis match and the fate of the world does not rest on it. I am a fan of Nole as I have posted here before, however, the chest thumping and all that crap I can certainly do without. I am a conservative by nature and that is perhaps one of the reasons why I like the snivelling, grovelling Swiss. Yes, that same snivelling grovelling crying Swiss who has 15 majors - one at the French Open the same one that the famous Pete Sampras never even got to the final to put on his Resume. This started out as such a good day and I am going to ensure that it stays that way.
Craig, I will see you at the Australian Open when hopefully by that time level heads will be prevailing at this site. Have a happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas and New Year.

Sun Nov 15, 03:54:00 PM

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well- Karen that's awfully BIG of you to resort behind using a CLASSIC retort by using "diatribe" refering to my remarks in response to what clearly you found offensive:

that I took exception to the fact that you or some may not like Djokovic's chest=thumbing for being related to political matters and THEN when a response comes which YOu yourself brought in on that subject (djoko chest thumps, it shouldbe about political matters, blah , blah)

that explains the IGNORANCe relating to his reasons for its history - you

NOW use as your defense "having grown up in a country with its own version of civil war -- BUT THIS shouldn't be brought on a tennis court" ....

but djokovic ISN"T YOU, dear. HE's the one on court , NOT YOU.


you expressed your displeasure about him bringing out an expression that you JUDGED as "political" and commented on that HERE - and you run away when I commented on THAT - and call mine a DIATRIBE as if to show everyone "it's GRAF_SAMPRAS' FAULT THAT KAREN RAN AWAY".

THAT"S BIG OF YOU, karen, sorry to say. i am disappointed

because you can dish it on about being 'against bring political matters on court' when it's a player you expressed dislike for to begin with - making YOUR contention already faulty to begin with as to your reasons even if you manage to cover it by saying "no player" should do it.

but then you'd have probably NO problem that MONFILS was caught doing the exact SAME THING! for the GLORY OF FRANCE - a POLITICAL MATTER! playing in his home turf! "I have to live up to it, playing in MY HOME TOURNAMENT".

just as easily as DJOKOVIC BEAT REOGER FEDERER on hgome turf as an expression of his being SERBIAN where roger glorified himself by "winning on home turf".

and you are going to accuse me of putting up a DIATRIBE ABOUT POLITICAL MATTERS?

you OPENED UP THE CAN OF WORMS, Karen.

screed , ovah!

P.S. have you see how BIG ROGER"S mouth opens when HE screams in HIS version of "chestthumbing" minus the chest thumbing? lol. it's so wide - you could ram the ALPS in it and there'd be room for the himalayas.


so - u know - let's not pretend this is REALLY about not liing politicial matters from you or any of you for that matter. it is really about WHTHER a particular political matter that happens to BE related to this thing we call tennis is TOO DISCOMFITING for your sensibilities
JUST AS I HAD DESCRIBED in my "diatribe"!

it rather tells a bit more about some of you yourselves than ME or my diatribes! sorry to say.

Graf_sampras said...

oy , yes Karen you are going to ENSURE that yoru day stays nice - by what? running away from something you yourself started? namely


making a screed abotu Novak and his chestthumping a "political nature" because YOU personally don't like IT?

well - MY response was to DEFEND this TENNIS PLAYER for his behavior of chestthumping showing the real history of WHY he ends up that way.

that's a difference of opinion between us as to HIS reasons...but that doesn't change the fact that his chestthumping is what it IS. it is part of his being a tennis player


NO MATTER how much YOU dislike "it" -- "political matter" being brought on court!

Billie jean King Brings political matters ON COURT all the time. ! period . if she didn't - womenb's tennis wiol still be paid half the men's. it's POLITICAL matters that corrected that.

Djokovic is only expressing what he feels is STILL an ongoing injustice for the DISMEMBERMENT and even THEFT of land of kosovo from his own country - arbitrarily , IMPERIOUSLY awared to "ethnic albanians" who THEMSELVES , having made thesmelves the "majority" in the province of kosovo even if THEY have THEIR own country of albania -

were just as guilty of massacreing SERBS .

just so - ya know, before you run away to keep your day wonderfully

"free of politics" .

even if you couldn't help mentioning your own "civil war" to defend your right to say your displeasure about djokovic , as a tennis player, expressing HIS right for his political views, who happens to play NOT JUST for djokovic or just for YORU or OUR pleasure and "freedom from poilitical expression" (which is exactly what you are talking about here) but for HIS country.

his being serbian is INTIMATEDLY connected to his being a tennis champion.

period - and you can't avoid it anymore than you can avoid wanting to scratch your back if a caterpillar landed on it - unless you intentionally tie your own hand...which would be stupid.

lastly =- please don't imply that I am at fault for making you run away because of my "diatribe".

my response is fitting according to the ignorance or even blatant callousness you just showed about a player who can't help himself feel that his achievement is THAT important for him and his country and what it has and is STILL going through .

and having your own civil war is a POOR excuse to say HE should not be expressing himself.

it only means you wish to hide your head in the sand and USE tennis as an ESCAPE .

and that, imo, is WRONG!
I know this is harsh - but that's the way it is. and you ought to know better !

Graf_sampras said...

adn just so u know, karen that this is more about our personal different ways of looking at how things ought to be expressed anywhere....from a personal standpoint -- i happen to have a very close workmate who hails from CONGO -

who uses her experience and former life for , in anyway she CAN, to BE political, carefully always balancing her need to keep a job but also make her views known...

so - what's the difference between THAT and tennis?

and this young woman is about the most BEAUTIFUL princess of a beauty i have laid eyes on up close..but had gone through her young life seeing the chaos and brutalities and impoverishment of her home country..who is such an intelligent young woman..my god, she should even be a film actress for her talent and beauty. it's beyond description.

and yet - she has enough courage to SAY what people need to learn:

that MUCH of the civil war in congo is escalated and maintained BECAUSE the rest of the world USES CELL PHONES! because cell-phones use a particular mineral that only CONGO produces from its mines, controlled by of course the greedy warlords who brutalize their fellow congonese, to get the profits from foreign corporations

to say that tennis - which depends on its communications and tennis players who travel using their cell-phones - as the rest of the world does has NO political connotations which should NOT be expressed at all - is the height of not just ignorance but also a DECISIVENESS to ignore that there are millions upon millions elsewhere that suffer so the rest of US can PRETEND they DON"T EXIST for OUR happiness ! with our tennis and other "entertainment".

that's just cruel, and at best callous, i say!

Karen said...

You know I could run away as Graf says I am doing, but frankly as a result of my respect for Craig, and what he has done to bring tennis to the masses, I will not run away, and I will respond to Graf’s statement about politics and tennis. Every country in the world has their own views of atrocities committed by big countries. My little country of Jamaica is still reeling from the effects of colonialism, slavery, the free market, capitalism, socialism, communism and every other ism that you can think of. I have just returned to live here after being in another Caribbean Island for 7 years. There is no hope for the young people in my country. I could come here and talk about the fact that Jamaica has more gun crimes than many other countries in the world who actually produce weapons of war. I could spread the fact that as a result of government subsidies by the American government small farmers in my country find it easier to sell imported fruits and vegetables rather than grow them. I could talk about the thousands of farm land that is left to rot because big plantation owners like Dole and Chiquita (US companies) decided that the preferential treatment given to small ACP countries, of which Jamaica is one, should not exist because of the free market.

I have said it here and elsewhere that the histrionics, i.e. chest thumping, screaming in your opponent’s face and all the other expressions of in your face victory has no place on a tennis court. I can understand when a player is happy especially when they have won a point. More power to them. I am not in agreement with players inciting a crowd against their opponent. This is not Davis Cup or Fed Cup. This is an individual tournament. Just as how most of these players are subdued in defeat, one would think they would also be exulting yes, but the chest thumping and the shouts of Serbia or USA or France or whatever country of which you are a citizen have no place on a tennis court, at least not in this contest.

As to whether I am running away. I am not running away. I never go on message boards and name call people’s favourites. If I do not like what people are saying about my favourites, if I am minded I will defend it. If I am not, then I will just scroll.

On a more personal note, I missed you when you were gone. You do contribute a lot of meaningful discussions to this board whether tennis or otherwise. However, you do yourself a disservice when you resort to name calling to make your point. I have never called anybody’s favourite player out of their names on this board or elsewhere. If the behaviour is unbecoming and unsportsmanlike then I will focus on that. I do not know any of these players apart from what I have seen on my television. For all I know all of them could be child molesters and have secret lives that no one knows about. I am here to talk about tennis. I have no power to solve the world’s many problems which have been caused by many and various reasons that can be discussed to death. I have no particular interest to try and solve the world’s problems. I will try to contribute as a human being to making the part of the world that I inhabit be a better place for my children and grand children and for the generations to come. I will try to ensure that the life I lead is an example to others. That is all that I can do.

royce said...

Graf Sampras
Thanks for the history lesson. I like your views. That part of the world has had its populations decimated by wars by Turks, Germans and lately the USA.

As for chest thumping, all the players have quirks and irritating things about them. I for one am thankful we have such wonderful entertainment.